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Understanding the 5lb Claim for some novice riders in Open Races this season – some FAQs

We’ve received some questions about the 5lb Novice Rider Claim (Regulation 75 vii) – we’ve provided some answers below

Can ALL Novice Riders claim a 5lb allowance?

No – to be eligible for the 5lb allowance a rider must not have ridden more than 5 winners before the Thursday before the date of the Open Race

Example 1:  Peter is planning to ride in the Blankshire Open Race on Sunday December 9th.   Up to Thursday December 6th he has ridden 5 winners.   Peter is eligible to claim the 5lb Allowance.

Example 2: Anna is planning to ride in the Blankshire Open Race on Sunday December 9th.   Up to Thursday December 6th she has ridden 5 winners.   However on Saturday December 8th Anna rides another winner, bringing her overall winning tally to 6.   Anna is still able to claim the 5lb allowance in the Open Race on Sunday December the 9th.  This is because she only crossed the eligibility threshold AFTER the Thursday prior to Sunday’s race.

 

Can an eligible Novice Rider use the claim in ALL Open Races?

No an eligible rider CANNOT claim an allowance in the “Classic Races” listed below:

The Lord Ashton of Hyde’s Cup Men’s Open Race @ The Heythrop – 27/1/18 – claim not available

The Coronation Gold Cup Mixed Open Race @ The Combined Service – 17/2/18 – claim not available

The Timico Grimthorpe Gold Cup Mixed Open Race @ The Middleton – 31/3/18 – claim not available

The Lady Dudley Cup Men’s Open Race @ The Worcestershire – 20/04/18 – claim not available

 

The claim applies to all other Open Races INCLUDING “Area Classic Races”

 

Can Novice Riders claim an allowance in other types of race?

No

 

How will the Decs Team / Clerk of the Scales know about my 5lb claim?

Every Thursday the PPA will send a list of Claiming Riders (i.e. those who hold an RWC are entitled to the 5lb allowance) to the stewards at the following weekend’s meetings.

Only riders who appear on that list will be able to claim the allowance.  This means that if an RQC is issued on a Friday the riders’ name will not appear on the list for that week and the rider will not be able to claim their allowance until the following weekend.

 

Example 1:   Katy’s RQC is issued on  Thursday December 6th, she has not yet ridden 5 winners and so her name will be added to the list of riders who are eligible to claim the 5lb allowance on Saturday December 8th and Sunday December 9th.

Example 2:   Mark’s  RQC is issued on  Friday December 7th, he has not yet ridden 5 winners BUT his RQC was issued too late to be included in the current week’s Eligible Claiming Riders List that was sent to meetings on Thursday December 6th .    This means that Mark will not be able to claim the 5lb allowance on Saturday 8th or Sunday 9th December.

Mark will be added to the Eligible Claiming Riders’ List on Thursday December 13th and will be able to claim his allowance after that date – assuming of course that he has not ridden more than a total of 5 winners in the meantime.

 

My RQC was issued on Friday (yesterday) and I have not yet ridden more than 5 winners but the Declarations Team say I am not on this weekend’s list of riders who are eligible for the 5lb claim – can I still claim the allowance this weekend?

Unfortunately you can’t claim a 5lb allowance this weekend.  This is because the list of riders who are eligible to claim is produced and sent to fixtures weekly on a Thursday.  As your RQC was issued on Friday you could not be included in this week’s list.  You will be added to the list next week and eligible to claim the allowance from next weekend (assuming your total number of winners does not exceed 5 by next Thursday).

 

Regulation 75 refers to the stated date of the race – what does that mean – and what happens if a meeting is postponed and re-arranged?

The PPA have clarified that the stated date is the date on which the race takes place – in the case of a re-arranged fixture eligibility for the a 5lb claim will be determined in relation to  the actual date on which the race takes place.

Example 1:  Helen  is planning to ride in the Blankshire Open Race on Sunday December 9th.   Up to Thursday December 6th she has ridden 5 winners and so she would be eligible to claim the 5lb Allowance.   HOWEVER due to bad weather conditions the meeting is postponed until December 16th. This means that original entries stand.  Helen does not ride any more winners before December 13th (the Thursday before the actual date of the race) and so she is still able to claim the allowance in the race.

Example 2: Sam  is planning to ride in the Blankshire Open Race on Sunday December 9th.   Up to Thursday December 6th he has ridden 5 winners and so he would be eligible to claim the 5lb Allowance.   HOWEVER due to bad weather conditions the meeting is postponed until December 16th. This means that original entries stand.  Sam rides and wins a race at meeting on December 8th.  This brings his winning total to 6 before  December 13th i.e. the Thursday before the race takes place and means that Sam CANNOT claim a 5lb allowance in the  re-arranged Blankshire Open Race on December 16th.

 

I’ve just ridden my 6th winner – do I lose my claim immediately?

No you keep the claim until the Thursday following your 6th winner, so you can continue to claim 5lbs until then.

Example:  At the start of the weekend Jack is eligible to claim the 5lb allowance in Open Races.  On Saturday he rides his 6th winner, he has a later ride in an Open Race that day and he is still eligible for the 5lb claim in the Open Race.   If Jack has rides in Open Races on the Sunday, or any day prior to the following Thursday he continues to be eligible to claim 5lbs.

A typo in the Regs

Reg 75 (vii) says

Riders in Point-to-Point Steeple Chases outlined in Sub Regulation, who prior to the Thursday before the stated date of a Point-to-Point Steeple Chase, have not ridden more than 5 winners under the Rules of Racing, the Rules of a recognised Racing Authority, the Regulations for Point-to-Point Steeple Chases or Arabian Horse Races shall receive 5lbs.

it should say

Riders in Point-to-Point Steeple Chases outlined in Sub Regulation (i), who prior to the Thursday before the stated date of a Point-to-Point Steeple Chase, have not ridden more than 5 winners under the Rules of Racing, the Rules of a recognised Racing Authority, the Regulations for Point-to-Point Steeple Chases or Arabian Horse Races shall receive 5lbs.

Sub Reg (i) refers to Open Races – and therefore clarifies that the 5lb claim ONLY applies to Open Races

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